(active) 子供が水を飲みました。 The child drank the water (passive) 水が子供に飲まれました。 the water was drunk by the child
dc
The passive of group 2 verbs is the same as the potential and honorific. Which can only be discovered by the context:
先生は納豆<b>が</b>食べられる the が gives this away as potential potential: My teacher can eat nattou
先生は納豆を食べられた could be many things:
honorific: my Teacher ate nattou potential: my teacher could eat nattou indirect passive: someone ate natto (~and my teacher was unhappy about it)
dc
There is also an indirect passive, which doesn't exist in English. It implies the other person is annoyed by the action.
Perhaps it could be translated as "person A did something AT person B"
ビールは田中に飲まれた the beer was drunk by Tanaka
先生は田中にビールを飲まれた (The teacher was drunk beer at by Tanaka) The teacher was annoyed by Taro drinking beer.
dc
some more formation examples
For 一段 (いちだん − える、いる ending) verbs you essentially drop the る and tack on a られる.
For 五段 (ごだん 〜う ending) verbs you change the last syllable so that it ends in 〜あ and add れる
話す 話される was spoken 聞く 聞かれる was listened/heard 泳ぐ 泳がれる was swum 待つ 待たれる was carried 死ぬ 死なれる was killed 会う 会われる was met 作る 作られる was made 呼ぶ 呼ばれる was called
dc
As for (passive) in notes, the Japanese is not natural. It should beその本は田中さんによって書かれた。
Miki
dc, beer is ビール, building is ビル.(^_^;)
Miki
The first example is weird. You do not say 犬に水を飲まれました(even though grammatically possible) but you normally say 犬が水を飲んでしまいました。In the same vein, the second example, too, is somewhat awkward, even though not as bad as the first example.I would say このビルが建ったのは(建てられたのは)2年前です。 ビールは田中に飲まれた is also awkward. 田中がビールを飲んでしまった is more like it.
bamboo4
Just to make a note of this, the Kanji used above in the example for 'was carried' is TAI, which is the kanji for 'wait'. This effectively reads MATSU.
badboy
In Japanese, you can use passive voice either for transitive or intransitive verbs. When you use passive voice for intransitive verbs, it normally indicate some kind of disadvantage for the speaker.For example, 居る can be changed to 居られる but this would normally indicate you don't want him to be there, but he is there nevertheless.
Thus it is possible to say 犬に水を飲まれました, which gave you the disadvantage of the dog having drank [your] water, but I said it is awkward because one would normally have one's dog under control so that that kind of thing would not happen. The result is that you are declaring your own stupidity by making that statement.
bamboo4
OK, so the examples show how NOT to use a passive! can you provide some good examples of ways to use it?
dc
What about ~(ra)rete-morau ~(ra)rete-kureru ?
I found a lot of examples with this form but I can't find an english translation...I can't understand why morau and kureru which express gratitude to someone else are used with rareru which implies I am (or someone else) annoyed by the action. For example, I found on the net (thanks google!) such sentences:
「この子にここで泣かれてもらっちゃ困るんだよ」
「まだまだユアンさんにはいじめられてもらうんですから!!」
What does it mean?
What's the difference with 「この子にここで泣かれちゃ困るんだよ」
By the way, such sentences can be read too:
「この子にここで泣いてもらっちゃ困るんだよ」
...Isn't there a paradox between "naitemorau" and "komaru" ?
I guess that's not strange for a Japanese native speaker but I am not a native speaker! ^^"
ludi
This entry is very useful. Thanks!
Minor correction:
先生は田中にビールを飲まれた (The teacher was drunk beer at by Tanaka) The teacher was annoyed by [Taro] drinking beer.
"Taro" should be Tanaka.
lenzras
According to my textbook, you can also use transitive verbs to indicate a disadvantage. (The book calls this kind of passive sentence "indirect passive sentences.")
Transitive verb example: となりの学生にテストを見られました。 (My test was looked at by the student next to me and it troubled me.)
Intransitive verb example: (私は)雨に降られました。 (It rained and it troubled me.)