TAKOBOTO

just as I'd, right at the moment when I'd
just as I thought to call her, she called me

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マニュアルのせつめいどおりにやってみたところうまくいった。

When I tried doing it as said in the manual, it went well.

かのじょにでんわをかけようとかんがえていたところ、かのじょのほうから、でんわをかけてきた

Just when I'd thought I'd call her, she called me.

じたくでのインターネットりようについてたずねたところ、「りようしている」がぱーせんとであった。

When questioned whether they used the Internet at home 28.6% said they "currently use it".

はんにんがみせからでてきたところでけいかんにとらえられた。

As the criminal was coming out of the shop, the police grabbed him.

じっさい、にほんへいってみたところ、そうぞういじょうにすばらしかったです。

Actually, once I came to Japan it was more wonderful than I had imagined.

あたらしいをつかってみたところ、とてもつかいやすかった。

It is easy to have used it very much when new [wo-puro] was used.

かくをまがったところにゆうびんがあります。

You will find a post office around the corner.

しごとがおわったところででんわします。

I`ll call you when I`ve finished the work.

えきについたところれっしゃはもうでてしまっていた。

When I arrived at the station, the train had already left.

かのじょにでんわをしようとしたところ、でんわがかかってきた。

Just as I thought to phone her the phone rang.

たんとうしゃにでんわでといあわせてみたところ、しゃいんりょこうのもうしこみはもうおわっていた。

Once I had tried calling the person in charge to inquire, application for the company trip was already over.

しっ、しずかに。すこしまえにあかちゃんがやっとねたところなんだから。

Finally a little calm. I say that because we are just having the baby fallen asleep.

でんわちょうでしらべたところそういうなまえのかいしゃはなかった。

Once I had checked up the telephone directory, such firm name didn't appear.

かいしゃのといあわせをしたところ、ちずをおくってくれた。

Once I had inquired it to the firm, they sent the map to me.

「Aたところ、Bた」: B is the subsequent result or acquired knowledge, et cetera, after doing A. This is a one-time-only action & result.

Vた + ところ
* the most common use is 〜てみたところ

rubyhatchet

〜たら ＜あることをしたら，その結果がどうなったかを浮ｷ阜ｻ。＞

sureshnihon

there seems to be a big overlap between "just as", and "when" here. I think tatokoro is much more the former, with the emphasis.

dc

Still don't know what you mean by 'result implied'.

Amatuka

If you mean that there should be different tokoro entries for 'just when' vs 'when' then I disagree. I don't think [verb]-たところ has as strong an implication of 'instant' as (for instance) とたん.

Amatuka

often has a result implied ~tara

dc

I would say that ところで more or less has location-orientation whereas ところを would have temporal-orientation. Still contrary construction is possible for both of these phrases. I would wager that most of the authors most probably would not have used either of these phrases with any degree of conscious effort to have it meant either way.

bamboo4

＾たところ implies you'd just done (e.g. past tense) something. See also ^るところ for just as I was about to.

Amatuka

Don't forget that V-たところ can be a literal place where V-た took place. e.g. パーティーをやったところはどこだっけ。'Where was it you had the party again?'

Amatuka

一番目の例文には、「ところ」というは場所ですか、それともときですか。
みきさんはどう思いますか。

Amatuka

This 「ところ」implys 'when'.
It is a bit natural to think the 「ところ」as a place due to the part 店から出てきた。

Miki

Hmm, 微妙なところですね。

Amatuka

First example set back to 0 Check.

Amatuka

1.volitional form + としたところ＝to be on the point of...／going to/about to/on the verge of (doing something) but just before doing

Has a similar meaning to 〜(す)るところ＝今からすぐする（まだしていない）
E.g. : 引っ越そうとしたところです。
　　　　I am on the point of moving.
これから、説明するところです。
　　　　From now on, I am going to explain.

２．〜(し)ているところ＝just started doing 〜
今ちょうどしている（まだ終わっていない）
E.g. 今、お風呂に入っているところだから、後で電話　　　してください。
　　　Now I am just having my bath, so please
phone me later.

3. 〜たところ＝just finished 〜ing
＝今終わったばかり
E.g. : 病気が治ったところなので、まだ泳ぐことができない。
　　　Since he had just recovered from the illness, therefore he still can't swim.

４．Another very similar meaning of 〜たところ＝
　　〜たらその結果＝once (he/she) had 〜
E.g. : 電話で問い合わせたところ、休館日は月曜日だということです。
　　Once I had enquired by phone, I was told that the off day is Monday.

5. 〜ている／ていたところに＝just at that moment, one is/was/were about to(present / past tense depends on the sentence)
　also under 〜ところに／へ／を＝〜という状況、場面に／へ／を

E.g. : 出掛けようとしているところに、電話がかかってきた。
Just when I was about to go out, the phone came.
一人で寂しくテレビを見ているところへ、友達が訪ねてきた。
　　　Just when I was watching the TV, my friend came to visit me.
恋人と話しているところを、先生にみられちゃった。
　　　　Just when I was talking to my lover, my teacher caught an eye of us/we were spotted by the teacher.

６．Another meaning of 〜ところ(を)＝〜という状態なのに、（挨拶で相手に対してよく使われる）
= although, despite (polite sense)

E.g.: お忙しいところをわざわざおいで頂き、誠にありがとうございました。
I would like to thank you sincerely for coming despite being busy.

誠

誠さんへ
I think your explanation is very interesting. It would be very kind of you if you can move it to the notes, and add links to the main 4 entries which give examples for the various cases above:
- [rutokoro]
- [tatokoro]
- [tatokorode]
- [tokoroni, tokorohe, tokorowo] (http://www.jgram.org/pages/viewOne.php?tagE=tokoroni,%20tokorohe,%20tokorowo)

赤毛

Hmm, I can't understand. What is wo-puro? Isn`t it ワープロ？

karekano